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>> think taxes are not going up if these guys pull off a last minute miracle? think again. hi, everybody, i'm dagen mcdowell in for neil cavuto and fox on top of a clock ticking down. less than 62 hours until it all goes town and i'm not talking about that ball in times square or those automatic tax hikes and spending cuts lawmakers are scrambling to avoid. i'm talking about taxes going up no matter what. taxes in the president's health care law. a new tax on investment income, a tax on medical device makers costing jobs, those aren't the only ones, that last tax forcing companies, many companies to layoff workers. and coming attractions for the new year, to ben stein, charles payne, todd schoenberger and sarah, charles, you first. >> let the flood gates open. listen, dagen, obviously, we know-- actually we don't know, but it's to nancy pelosi's point
we're going to find out and i hope we like it. a lot of taxes associated with obamacare. you mentioned the medical device issue, a lot of these companies, by the way, medical device companies have been laying off workers right now. and that is, if this impacts, by the way, everyone, takes away from research and development, which will take away from life saving innovation and it's just, again, the very tip of the iceberg. ultimately, there's going to be a whole lot of taxes that just opens the gate for. this is just the beginning. >> ben, even if you look at action taken by the medical device makers, there's already damage that's been done by the tax increases built into this health care law, has it got? >> well, the damage is built in, but on the other hand good built into, too. there are people who are very poor who won't be able to get health insurance and not very, between medicaid and middle class and we'll be able to get health insurance, or some, overall, obviously, i don't like the bill. i don't think any sensible person would like the
obamacare bill. but tax increases are a fact of life. that's the story, tax increases under mr. bush and surpluses under mr. clinton tax increases as far as the eye can see under mr. obama. >> when do the spending cuts happen, sarah? >> never. >> and you often see the tax increases kick in and in the health care law, and spending never gets cut. >> i think you need to look where the spending goes, provide preventive care. and we saw 80 million access preventative care and that's a net savings for the entire health care system passed on to all of us. >> how have job cuts we've seen the medical device makers, they're sounded the horn about them. how does it help the broad economy though? >> what you're seeing is readjusting of the economy. most of this tax money comes out of those making 250,000 or
mo more, an increase on those individuals. at the same time that we're finding out here on capitol hill about a decrease on those making 250 or less, so, majority of americans. when we have this increase on a very small portion, we see that those folks are welcoming this increase, a poll released the day before christmas put through american express and the harrison group, saw that 67% of those making 1% or more want today see this increase happen. >> all right. let me move on to todd, because i can tell you that there are a lot of tax increases just in this health care law, i didn't even mention some of them at the top of the show, todd. what i'm talking about additional payroll tax for those making more than $250,000, a taxable taxing and spending, and how much health care you can write off every year, and people don't know how much it will hurt them and the broad economy. >> that's right, they haven't seen it taken out of their
paychecks yet. this is what fox viewers want to know what's going to impact them on day one and you're talking about the hospital with the medical bill that we're talking about, that's the real money that's going to be taken out of your paycheck. your net amount is going to be less and has nothing do with what's taking place with the fiscal cliff negotiations, it's all set in law. so, we all have to expect to have less money the start of the year. >> charles, this raises the issue-- >> i want to go to charles, this raises the issue of how much can this country and this economy bear? because it then said, tax increases are the new way of life for us and you see what's going on in washington to avoid the tax increases, these are built in this. i don't believe that everybody understands what the overall impact will be. >> i don't think everyone understands and ben is right with respect to the idea that right now, that's the direction we're headed into. no one is talking about spending cuts. no one is talking about how do we, you know, truly bring down
the 16 trillion dollar deficit. instead of loaning us marks toward 20 plus. there are things that are ultimately up for play. mortgage interest deduction is up for play and the health care that it provides for you, that's taxed at some point. at the least, it's means tested and some people aren't going to get it, but ultimately, this government has a ferocious appetite for spending and all of these cuts that we're talking about, even though they will hurt everyone, they're just a drop in the bucket for where we're going. >> i just laughed, ben, as soon as you saw mortgage deduction, i was ready to go-- >> houses and a problem-- >> how much did you say. >> don't you have nine houses? >> more than that. more than that. >> don't admit that, ben. >> the ideas clobbering the housing market on its knees after it's been on its back
four or five years, that's crazy, craziness. >> more on the housing market coming up. i don't want to stick to that, but that-- again, we don't want ben to faint in the middle of the segment, but, sarah, this just raises the issue, and it's something that i said to todd. there are so many tax increases built in that people don't know about this coming year and there are more to come. there's only so much that an economy and the job creators, i'm talking wealthy americans can bear and i do not believe for a minute that lawmakers fully understand what they've already done and what they will do. >> well, i think we also need to look the what and so we're getting rid of annual tax and lifetime tax on insurance and making preventive costs or free preventative health care, that means for the viewer out there you could catch something that could bankrupt you that would get you sick
earlier and now won't bankrupt you, your insurance won't run out. and won't be out of luck if something tragic happens in your life. there are three changes and there are many, many more others insuring those under 26. >> we've gone over that, but the issue is paying for that. and paying for it add broadly speaking, what will it do to the american economy, todd? >> dagen, you mentioned how american households would they he be able to actually stomach this, right now, americans were deleveraging since the recession started and now they're taking on more debt right now. and why is that? food costs up 6% and energy costs, dropping recently, but high for most of the year. you have to go out and take on more debt and now when you start squeezing that take home pay and less money that's there to pay the bills, you go into further debt. so, ancillary--
there are more negatives than positives, but realistically, it's a tragic for the economy. >> there's nothing in obamacare that addresses preventative care and some instances might cause people to be more reckless, hey health care will provide for it. you see the ground swell of welfare spending. and a lot of people are taking food stamps and buying yodels and ring-dings with it, nothing to keep them honest and off the taxpayer dime on the medical side. >> that's the final word, sarah, we've got to wrap this up. but full he disclosure, i clearly am very angry about the excise tax on tanning, which was in the health care law. (laughter) >> which kicked in immediately. again, tax first and worry about everybody else later, okay? >> you one-percenter. it hurts business, tanning parlors everywhere. i'm serious.
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supposed to protect the privacy of workers. todd, you're the not sure about this one, why not? >> you have to look out for the company. every employee out there, they are an ambassadors of that organization in and out of the office. so, i want to know as an employer, what are my employees up to? what are they -- are they into some type of a club, illegal activity, whatever it is. i get the privacy issues, but if you're going to post something out there, i want to know what it is and how it's going to affect my company and bottom line. >> ben, what do you think. >> i would like people not to disclose passwords to employers. i think that employers know too much about the employees anyway, privacy is extremely high value under the constitution, let's keep it that way. >> yeah, an employer, even a prospective one can't go in my house and see how tidy i keep my bedroom. why should they be able to go online and see what i'm guessing, i think is private, with my friends, charles? >> you bet. >> here is the only problem, guys, we're starting back with
don't believe you have good judgment, i don't believe you're capable of doing whatever it is, the tasks i hired you for or wanted to hire you for. it's psychology in the workplace. >> the employee does not need to go into facebook. it's not a law that they need to do it. they're doing it because they want to reach out to friends and social networking. and listen, what you put out there online is public information. as an employer, i need to know what are my employees doing. are they talking to a competitor, are they giving out secrets? are they doing things especially in the securities business, doing things they shouldn't be doing? >> you know very well, that's not what it's about. it's about people saying having sex clubs or something like that. >> come on, ben. >> and it's all on the-- >> and equivalents of going through my closet to see if i've got whips and chains. >> and what happens if i go out there online and start releasing secrets about the organization here? you're going to tell me-- >> that's already against the law.
that's already against the law. that's already-- >> and i actually will throw this back in your face, that if you outlaw a company, even in a state broadly, from asking for someone's password, you reduce their operating costs because you have greater compliance costs, greater legal liability if that's what you're actually doing is policing the internet looking at perspective employees. >> i'll accept that, dagen. however, let's be honest here. if i have an employee that, say, they're up to no good, that's going to cost me more in the bottom line, legal costs, compliance costs. i want to nip it in the bud. >> and you won't have the besides. >> the employer, the employer is not supposed to be big brother supervising what over employee does in his time off. that's absolutely an outrage to even contemplate. >> i don't care what they do outside. >> why-- >> and putting it in public, the public domain. >> no, no, not when they're at work, not not related to their work, the employer should have nothing to do with that, that's too much control.
>> i want to know what my employees are doing, talking to competitors or releasing secrets. they wouldn't-- >> charles. >> they wouldn't be doing that online. >> unless they're really dumb and then you don't want them working there. hey, charles? >> i was just going to say one thing, i learned something new about facebook from ben with the sex clubs so i'm going to reconsider joining. >> i just heard that, i heard that. (laughter) >> okay. that was a segment ender. and there, i'm going to give you the final word on that, actually. >> i think on this, this one we should all come down on the side of privacy, there are some things we just don't want to know and i think that's one of them. >> all right, the tide is moving. (laughter) thank you all. moving along, americans about their jobs and taking fewer days off from them and that's great news. the forbes gang explains at the top of the hour. but up next, take a look at this.
looking into expanding a mortgage bailout program to include borrowers with loans not backed by the federal government. this coming, as the housing market is showing more signs it's slowly recovering its very own. charles, what will be the impact? >> well, here is the thing. i just found amazing that the same government that was ushered into office by pulling out wout's recognizan-- wall street's reckless behavior. not only homes not backed by the the federal government, but homes deeply underwater. i'd like to see the private industry in this more and loved to see the home prices hitt terra firma earlier, but there's a certain desperation out there. we sort of housing hit terra firma, but millions of homes underwater and millions of buyers aren't stepping up to the play and it mig be a
sign of desperation, also. >> ben, if the housing market showing signs of life. why does the federal government need to get more involved than it is. >> it's showing signs of life, but probably less than half of what it was in early 2007, 2008. it's much less stronger than a year ago, six months ago, a year and a half ago, but it's flaccid, to use a word i don't like to hear, when we talk about what it should be and i don't think there's any reason why ne shouldn't get it-- about you the losses if the market recovers will be trivial if not nil and good that more and more people are employed in construction. >> sir, we already control the taxpayer and the federal government, we already control the mortgage market. why do we need to take on more risk? >> because we're not taking-- >> i'm sorry, i thought-- >> i said sarah. ben, i'll get back to you. >> i'm a little miffed. we want to see more people living in homes and these
aren't the best mortgages to take on, but the risks are measured in multiple ways and seen in most cases a willingness and ability on the part of the lender to be able to pay their mortgage. now, their house may be underwater, but it's more important to have someone living if that home, have a mortgage paid on that home than that home be vacant because it devalues those around it and hopefully designed to help us get past just being on solid ground and back to a more robust market. >> todd, maybe we're never going to get back to the heights that we were at one point. >> we're so jaded and the recent data is positive. only a fool would go out and buy a home. it's better burning the cash, you're not going to have any equity in one year from now. secondly you need the government involved. >> the government is involved. >> guys. >> we own the-- >> and ancillary problems that go along with this poisoned housing market right now, i'm sick and tired of hearing whether the government should get involved or not. and they're not involved.
and. >> they are involved. >> schools, fire departments, local government when houses go under, you can't have it. >> the government controls the entire mortgage market. we own fannie mae and freddie mac, now, we're venturing out to control more of it. >> right. >> it makes zero cents. >> got to take full control, guys. listen, you want to penalize something, go after the home owners for building up the inventories, when they're doing it and going into consumer sentiment numbers and giving false reading. >> fuelly not enough inventory right now to meet demands, but anyway, ben, final word. >> todd, if you can predict the future and value of any important commodity my hat's off to you. >> thanks, ben, i appreciate that. look, i respect you, too, going forward in the housing market right now, i don't know where you're getting your data from, dagen, there's no chance of that. tons of homes are available, especially the underwater homes. call a bank if you want to buy a house and nobody's doing it. >> of the inventory problem with people who want to buy
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